00:33:23 Bruce Jones, Willowdale Baptist, North York: Will there be a different timetable for Toronto as opposed to the rest of the province? 00:33:47 Michael Thiessen: What about meeting in homes? 15-20 people? That will be important for us… 00:34:41 Michael Thiessen: Also, going for a 40-50% of building capacity seems positive. Can Sam comment on that? 00:34:46 lansingbaptist@gmail.com: Thanks for this Sam and I'm glad to hear you are in favour of regional considerations. 00:35:18 Mario Villanueva: what about church gym we use it as outreach how many people? 00:35:46 Justin Huffman: Would it be appropriate to encourage our congregations even now to be meeting during the week for one-on-one or two-on-two fellowship (staying under the 5 person social gathering guideline)? 00:35:55 Tim Challies: I would like to know how much we should be thinking short-term and how much long-term. Guidance from BC and Nova Scotia seems to indicate it could be a year or two before we return to full-size gatherings. It would be helpful to know if we should be thinking in that timeframe for gatherings of more than 50 or more than 100. That will really help in our planning. 00:36:08 Don Symons: Sam, although the specific guidelines will be important, the biggest problems right now is silence. Some faith communities feel ignored. There are guidelines for many groups…but not us. Is there a timeline where you will give churches guidance? 00:36:44 Michael Thiessen: % is better than a solid number 00:36:50 Jack Flietstra: What if we have family clustered in the auditorium with 6feet between families? 00:37:08 lansingbaptist@gmail.com: Percentage makes sense to me. 00:37:16 Sean Sheeran: I would also suggest % as opposed to numbers 00:37:26 Lee Brubacher - West Highland Church, Hamilton: As a follow up - it would be interesting to be allowed a certain percentage of capacity not just in a church building as a whole, but in the larger meeting rooms in the same church. For example, would we be allowed to have 25% capacity in the main auditorium while at the same time 25% capacity in the gym or fellowship hall. 00:37:28 Don Symons: Neither number or %. It would be better to have guidelines and each church figures out what capacity can be under those guidelines 00:38:03 Rick Bellaire: Percent of the Fire Marshall’s room occupancy is better than a hard number. 00:38:06 darrellbaker: I agree, a percentage is better than a hard number. As long as we can provide safe distancing. 00:38:18 Tim Challies: Percentage is best since we have very different auditorium sizes (though we understand why a cap would make sense). Also, whether we can use multiple spaces in the same building (if, for example, we have a sanctuary and a gym). 00:38:35 Michael Thiessen: % will allow everyone to prep social distancing… 00:38:36 Eric Veen: Would it help if everyone had to wear masks? 00:38:53 Angela Haines, Parish Nurse Benton St.: What about refusing entry to anyone who is symptomatic? Will there be enforceable guidelines to anyone who has a fever or new cough? 00:38:54 Ed H - Temple Cambridge: Percentage more adaptable than fixed numbers for different size churches 00:39:02 Rick Crockford: I think that percentage of seat capacity will work if we have spacing lines in the corridors to keep people from grouping together as we enter and leave a building 00:39:35 jmahaffey: Amen to percentage! 00:39:50 Bowmanville Baptist: The questionnaire we received looks more like a list of demands rather than the gov’t asking for suggestions or in put 00:39:59 Justin Huffman: Percentage of building capacity makes sense. 00:40:10 timbeerman: The problem with percentage is that a small church will be penalized. 00:40:27 Hal Arthurs - Keswick Christian: % and distancing is best 00:40:33 lansingbaptist@gmail.com: Another suggestion I have is that we be allowed to meet outdoors in a park or a someone's large backyard while waiting to be allowed to meet inside our buildings. Viruses do not transmit as much outdoors and it would be easy to maintain social distance. 00:40:37 Robin Pifer: We will have to have cleaning teams between services or adding services with having multiple services already. 00:41:01 Vicki Jaster - West Highland, Hamilton: larger churches may have more than one appropriate space. so that should be considered. 00:41:35 Aaron Roeck: A suggestion of what could be provided would be preliminary assessment options. I.e. Self assessment for congregants, temperature taken upon arrival, hygienic measures, etc. This would be similar to other facilities that have an essential gathering of people. 00:41:47 darrellbaker: Yes, we will have cleaning teams between services. 00:41:47 lansingbaptist@gmail.com: yes for sure 00:41:53 Hal Arthurs - Keswick Christian: Yes for sure 00:42:00 Sean Sheeran: Definitely, Bob. 00:42:05 Rick Crockford: yes 00:42:10 Puiwing Wong - North York (Chinese) Baptist: Yes to cleaning 00:42:27 Greg Armstrong: We're a church of about 900 normally on Sundays over 3 services. Our capacity is about 450. So percentage of building capacity versus weekly/Sunday attendance is important. 00:42:27 Andrew Stuart: We are looking at implementing cleaning between services, taking temperature before people come in, making masks mandatory. 00:42:47 Andrew Martin: Saturday night and Sunday services. I think it will be difficult to have services back to back on a Sunday with appropriate cleaning in between. 00:43:04 Tim Challies: Percentage is best since we have very different auditorium sizes (though we understand why a cap would make sense). Also, whether we can use multiple spaces in the same building (if, for example, we have a sanctuary and a gym). 00:43:11 Robin Pifer: We need to have trained greeters/welcome team with clear questions and protocols for entrance. 00:43:14 Michael Thiessen: yes a questionaire would seem appropriate. 00:43:18 Angela Haines, Parish Nurse Benton St.: do Nurseries have to follow the new government guidelines that were given to daycare facilities? 00:43:28 godfreythorogood: People will have to make a reservation to attend a specific service so we do not have to turn people away at the door. 00:43:30 darrellbaker: This question was asked before. Can we use different rooms at the same time? ie. 50 upstairs, 50 downstairs. 00:43:57 Michael Thiessen: Stop asking questions friends… we are supposed be giving him suggestions… 00:44:00 Sean Sheeran: We have ordered an electro-static disinfectant gun for our congregation that allows for extremely quick and thorough disinfecting between services. It was around $1500 dollars to purchase but allows disinfectant to adhere to surfaces in a short space of time. For what it’s worth... 00:44:02 Candi Thorpe: Larger churches with multiple meeting spaces is certainly an option, remembering that people may still have to share washroom facilities and cross paths in the hallways - it’s something to think about when you consider the flow of people through your building and how you restrict their passage. 00:44:22 Tim Challies: We are glad to have people outdoors enforcing distancing. We are glad to have people at the doors asking appropriate questions. We are glad to maintain a list of all those who enter the building (for contact tracing). 00:44:50 lansingbaptist@gmail.com: yes thank you 00:45:56 Michael Thiessen: Giving us the ability to meet in small groups in homes will also be helpful…. 00:46:40 Greg Armstrong: What Jack is mentioning I saw happening in Ravi's memorial service. Having different size clusters of chairs based on household sizes. 00:46:41 Bruce Jones, Willowdale Baptist, North York: we have 4 churches that meet in our building... and we have a reopening committee with representatives of all 4. This committee is proposing different meeting spots and entrance and exit doors for all 4 of the congregations to make the cleaning easier. 00:46:47 Sarah: Children and children's programs are integral to our worship services and to the mission of the Church. We need guidelines from the government as to how we can re-open our kids' programs. Do the guidelines for daycares and schools apply to us? Could there be another call to address Children's Ministry concerns specifically? 00:47:07 Kyle - Temple Baptist Church Cambridge: The ability to meet in small groups at homes will be key 00:47:47 Michael Thiessen: That’s a good suggestion Bob... 00:48:06 timbeerman: Our plan is not to have children’s ministries. 00:48:18 Robin Pifer: We will also have services on Sunday and during the week to space things out. Children will be with families to begin with. Family services rather than separate 00:48:44 timbeerman: We would also be encouraging all who have any kind of health issue not to attend. 00:48:51 darrellbaker: We will probably not have any children’s ministry. 00:49:35 Shawn Hippern: we are thinking of providing online things for kids to do during services while sitting with family 00:49:40 Eric Veen: What about youth ministry? Can youth begin to gather at some point? 00:49:45 John Bellingham: At Rosedale Baptist we would like: 1) Ability to meet in small home groups right away (10 people), 2) percentage of building space for corporate Sunday gatherings; 3) ability to sing as this is commanded in Ephesians 5; 4) Ability to observe the sacraments as the current restrictions have made it impossible for churches like ours (that do not recognize ‘virtual/ online communion’) 00:49:51 Randy Roebuck: We have the space to run a modified children's program but are concerned the resricitions will make it too difficult 00:50:07 Robin Pifer: We will be having babies with parents 00:51:00 Mario Villanueva: Do we need to take attendance incase of outbreak from the members? 00:51:03 Robin Pifer: Two or three areas with staff for infants and toddlers could be the next step 00:51:23 Michael Thiessen: We will be having our children in the service… babies too 00:53:01 Michael Thiessen: Forced family integration… The heavens are opening!! LOL 00:53:31 Robin Pifer: Thanks for all those comments Sarah and Angela 00:54:11 Isaac Melis: I don’t mean to be changing the topic but If we have time, I’m not sure if this has been addressed yet but regarding baptisms, have their been any suggestions as to what guidelines can be implemented? 00:54:31 timbeerman: We are planning on having our small groups meeting during the services and watching the livestream. 00:55:03 Robin Pifer: Video Baptisms in a backyard pool. 00:55:38 lansingbaptist@gmail.com: that's great, thanks Sam, makes sense to me 00:55:53 Vicki Jaster - West Highland, Hamilton: I think outdoors will be the trick. arranging outdoor watch parties in homes with picnics 00:56:13 Andrew Martin: Single serve communion cups. 00:57:45 Robin Pifer: Great comments Aaron 00:59:44 Kyle - Temple Baptist Church Cambridge: One consideration to multiple meeting spaces is how to manage “Foyer” space and how do we manage egress and degress of people 01:01:06 John Bellingham: We believe that the church should be permitted to meet outdoors on lawnchairs. Why is it safe for people to sit in parks while socially distanced but not in church parking lots? Why can windows be rolled down in Walmart parking lot, but windows need to be rolled up in Church parking lots for ‘drive in allowance’? 01:01:46 Robin Pifer: Clear entrance protocols and exit processes. We will need more trained volunteers. Multiple services on Sunday, during the week allowing time for cleaning and preparation. 01:02:02 John Bellingham: why can a tim hortons cup be passed from a drive through window, but communion cup cannot be passed? 01:02:08 Nate McGuire: We have some members (approx. 10) of the congregation that don't have any computers/internet at home to access our online services so they haven't received anything over the last months. We would really love to have be able to open our auditorium to ONLY these individuals to stream our pre-recorded services there for them. 01:03:04 darrellbaker: I’ve heard Bob sing. Not a good idea. 01:03:20 Hal Arthurs - Keswick Christian: The masked worship team 01:03:37 Bill Finch: Ha!!! Ha!! Good one, Darrellbaker! 01:04:10 Angela Haines, Parish Nurse Benton St.: If we stagger seat people/families and there is a 2m space between people shouldn’t that be adequate for preventing viral spread? 01:04:33 Bowmanville Baptist: ??? 01:05:28 Mark Smith: Would love to sit far enough apart that we can sing together in the same room 01:05:51 Jack Flietstra: Same here 01:06:09 Pastor T.J. (Thomas) - Faith Baptist Echo Bay: Our leadership would appreciate clarity in the guidelines. Not all of our parishioners view this crisis in the same way. There is potential for division within our church family if the guidelines are not clear and practical. Also, many of our most vulnerable are also the most eager to return to fellowship. Clear guidelines and recommendations would allow us to support and minister to them well. 01:06:17 Bowmanville Baptist: Well said! 01:06:54 CFBC Admin: Tim this is a good summary. I am not an expert on infectious disease. Guidelines will be very important helpful 01:06:58 Michael Paquette: can we listen to recorded music videos 01:08:04 Sean Sheeran: Some asked for the link to the sprayer that we purchased for cleaning between services: https://www.flexoproducts.com/products/cleaning-hardware/triggers-sprayers-bottles/VP200ESK/ 01:09:45 John Bellingham: congregational singing is a biblical command. - Eph 5 01:10:00 timbeerman: Our cafe will be closed. 01:10:05 darrellbaker: Yes, no coffee or any food. 01:10:07 Isaac Melis: agreed! 01:10:15 Shawn Hippern: absolutely, bring your own 01:10:17 Tim Challies: Gladly agree 01:10:18 Mark Smith: yes coffee and food is not nearly as important as singing 01:10:23 Bill Finch: What! No more church coffee! Our people will rejoice! 01:10:29 Neil Chotai: No refreshments 01:10:31 Rick Bellaire: Agreed 01:10:39 Vicki Jaster - West Highland, Hamilton: yes and disconnecting fountains 01:10:43 Hal Arthurs - Keswick Christian: Agreed 01:10:45 Bowmanville Baptist: what? 01:11:54 Andrew Martin: If we can’t sing for safety reasons, I don’t think we are ready to meet. 01:12:04 Sam Katchikian (Calvary Baptist Church; Goderich): I mean, it all depends on the quality of the coffee being served... in all seriousness though, no refreshments. 01:12:33 Tim Cressman - Bluewater Sarnia: Question – if we have volunteers who serve coffee (for example)…what is the difference between that and Starbucks? 01:13:13 Mark Smith: we can sit extra far apart (2 or 3 or 4 times the regular 6 feet) or even meet outside to make it safe to sing. we want to sing together if at all possible. 01:14:24 Bowmanville Baptist: Refreshments are another level of regulation 01:15:26 Mark Smith: I never compare our churches to the LCBO :P lol :) 01:15:46 Shawn Hippern: That's fair Sam, thanks 01:16:16 John Bellingham: worship is a constitutionally protected freedom. tim hortons is not 01:17:10 Mark Smith: yes, thanks Sam, we really appreciate you 01:17:11 Bowmanville Baptist: Amen! 01:17:11 Rick Crockford: can we do solos? 01:17:13 Andrew Martin: Is cineplex serving pop and popcorn? That will be a good gauge. 01:18:34 Mark Smith: that's great, thanks again Sam! God bless. 01:18:48 Rick Crockford: thank you Sam, God bless and give you wisdom 01:18:56 Pastor T.J. (Thomas) - Faith Baptist Echo Bay: Yes, Thank you 01:19:13 Bill Finch: Thank you, Sam, for your time and dedication to the cause! We will be praying for you and your colleagues! 01:19:23 Robin Pifer: We need to be more innovative as churches within the guidelines. Get a team together within the church to have a local church playbook going forward. 01:19:30 Joey: Thank You, Sam. 01:19:37 darrellbaker: Thank you Sam. also Thank you Bob for arranging this. 01:19:40 Tim Strickland - FEB Central: Thank you Sam, we appreciate you coming, and your work on all our behalf as an MPP 01:19:41 Cory Campbell: Do we know when the next announcement is going to come out for the next phase of re-opening? 01:19:48 Kim Beaman: if 2 meters is not a safe distance to sing is there a distance that would be recommended? 01:19:49 Jack Flietstra: Thank you Sam. 01:19:56 Tim Challies: Thanks for doing this, Sam. It means a lot to know you (on behalf of the government) are listening. 01:20:24 timbeerman: Thank you Sam! Your willingness to listen is much appreciated! 01:20:46 CFBC Admin: Thanks Sam we look forward to movement on public gatherings. Thanks for taking our feedback and concerns 01:21:19 Sean Sheeran: Thank you, Sam. The gift of your time and listening ear is deeply appreciated. We will continue to pray for you as a Christian in your role. Press on, brother. 01:21:24 Bowmanville Baptist: Sam: God bless and keep you! 01:22:08 Tim Loveday: Thanks Sam! 01:22:14 Neil Chotai: Thank you Sam! 01:22:16 Hal Arthurs - Keswick Christian: Thank You 01:22:25 Isaac Melis: thanks Sam! may God bless you! 01:22:26 Jamie Strickland: Thanks Sam. We appreciate this 01:22:33 Greg Armstrong: From our church, we want to emphasize that our role in society is an essential one. Others are essential in different ways. Our overall health is essential--physical and spiritual. 01:22:34 Andrew Stuart: This was a really good and valuable conversation! Thanks, Sam and thanks Tom, Bob, and Tim for setting it up 01:22:37 Gary lidstone: Thank you Sam. God Bless 01:22:48 Puiwing Wong - North York (Chinese) Baptist: Thank you very much!